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Alfredo

Ho scritto un romanzo in risposta ma si è perso . Credendo nell' ordalia devo pensare che tu abbia ragione.
Non posso contestare il iudicium dei.
Ma sappi che non ero pienamente daccordo con te ( tanto per non smentirmi..)

Alex

...la chiesa cattolica è essenzialmente un’organizzazione di pedofili...e di omofobi :-)

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Almeno fossero omofili e pedofobi

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Alfredo

Il linciaggio è fratello del genocidio. Sono due modi sbrigativi per togliere di mezzo una categoria di individui. Condanniamo chi sodomizza i bambini. Non chi si limita a spiegare il Vangelo.
Un libro che ho letto alcuni anni fa il cui titolo era più o meno "I buoni lo pensano, i cattivi lo fanno" spiegava che negli USA la quasi totalità delle persone che va dallo psicologo arrivano a convincersi di aver subito abusi sessuali in famiglia. E spiegava pure che gli psicologi vivono su questo.
Ma voi, vi immaginate a usare violenza sessuale ad un vostro figlio o vostra figlia? E perchè gli altri dovrebbero farlo?
Sicuramente qualche caso sporadico ci sarà, così come qualche prete pedofilo. Ma sono patologie non rappresentative della categoria. Almeno lo spero.
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Ciao Alfredo, rispondo qui perché non riesco a pubblicare. Non c'è nessunn linciaggio, solo una denuncia. Sono gli stessi preti a darsi la zappa sui piedi. Nell'illusione di minimizzare, sostengono che “solo” lo 0,3% degli abusi pedofili commessi negli USA è risultato commesso da preti, vale a dire il 3 per mille. Ma negli USA i preti sono 41.500 su 300 milioni di abitanti, ossia un prete cattolico ogni 7.000 abitanti. Se 1 prete su 7000 persone produce il 3 per mille di abusi pedofili, significa che un solo prete sodomizza quanto 21 cittadini non preti, ovvero un prete sodomizza i bambini 21 volte più del cittadino medio. E questo significa un tasso di criminalita’ pedofila per i preti maggiore del 2.100% rispetto alla popolazione generale. Ed è una stima per difetto, perché secondo la polizia viene arriva al giudizio soltanto un caso su 10. Cosi' la denuncia non è soltanto giustificata ma doverosa.
Va condannato anche chi si limita a spiegare il Vangelo. La diffusione di notizie false e tendenziose è un reato, come l'abuso della credulità popolare. E l'esportazione del Vangelo è uno stupro culturale. Nessuno ha il diritto di andare in casa d’altri e dire «la tua religione è falsa, devi accettare la mia». Specialmente con un testo come il Vangelo dove si spaccia per «bontà» il sadismo e la perversione.
Ciao, buon pomeriggio

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marcello

Speriamo, caro Dragor, speriamo.
Credo anche io che il declino della chiesa sia inevitabile.
Quello che mi preoccupa di più è il dopo: quando la chiesa, sempre più delegittimata dagli scandali e minata dalla diffusione della cultura laica vedrà prosciugarsi i canali tradizionali di ricchezza e potere, quale strategia adotterà per sopravvivere economicamente? il traffico di organi? il riciclaggio di denaro sporco? cominceranno a sparare e mettere bombe?
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Marcello, lo stanno già facendo (comprese le bombe, guarda i miei post sui missionari). Per sopravvivere economicamente la chiesa si tufferà nel Terzo Mondo, dove le condizioni ricordano quelle dell'Europa di una volta con la gente disposta a lasciarsi rincretinire e riempirgli il tasche.

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A TUTTI: scusate,ho risposto sui vostri post perché prima non riuscivo a pubblicare

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Alberto

caro Dragor, sono d'accordo su tutto, tranne che sul fatto che senza la religione il mondo sarà migliore. E' un concetto vecchio e superato. E poi è sbagliato, superficiale, moralmente scorretto dare le colpe di tutti mali del mondo ad una sola categoria di persone, siano esse preti, omosessuali, ebrei, ecc. ecc.

Alfredo

Le religioni hanno il solo difetto di non aver avuto l'umiltà di ammettere che cercavano di spiegare cose incomprensibili. Allora hanno inventato i dogmi per spacciare per verità quelle che sarebbero state solo intuizioni o teorie.
In sè, i libri sacri, non sono così terribili come ce li mostra Dragor. Credo piuttosto che siano stati tradotti in modo da risultare terribili.
Ammetto di non conoscere le lingue antiche, nemmeno il greco. Mi limito a qualche anno di latino studiato svogliatamente e ormai dimenticato. Ció nonostante ho provato a tradurre i comandamenti biblici in altri linguaggi e poi ritradurli in italiano fingendo di non conoscere il testo iniziale. Ebbene vengono fuori frasi di significato assai diverso.
Se poi uno fa lavorare la ragione il risultato può essere veramente stupefacente.
Ovvio che la Chiesa di fronte a questo atteggiamento grida all' eresia.
Difende i suoi privilegi, la sua sopravvivenza.
Ma quello che voglio dire io è che le religionimspiegano in modo sbagliato qualcosa che però esiste.
L'universo non è una cosa casuale. È una creazione tecnologica. Che piaccia o no. Non si sa chi sia il creatore ( o i creatori) ma c'è sicuramente una mente che ha stabilito le regole della realtà.

dragor

Alfredo, l'alternativa al caso non è automaticamente il "disegno intelligente". Non è questa la soluzione all'enigma dell'improbabilità. Tornero' sull'argomento.
Ciao, buon lunedi'.

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dragor

Alberto, io accuso un 'ideologia, non le persone. Le persone sono le prime vittime

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Alberto


Dragor, eppure mi pareva proprio che ce l'avessi coi preti!
(scusa come si intitola questo post???)

Alfredo

Eppure una costruzione tecnologicamente riproducibile come l'universo e sicuramente frutto di un disegno intelligente. E sottolineo riproducibile, anche se non siamo ancora in possesso della tecnologia.
Mentre nessun matematico riesce a dimostrare la casualità dell'universo.

dragor

Alberto,i preti sono simultaneamente aguzzini e vittime. Ce lo spiega molto bene J.J. Rousseau nelle "Confessioni". Quando è andato in un seminario di Torino per convertirsi al cattolicesimo in modo da poter raggiungere la sua amante Mme de Warens a Chambéry senza essere condannato al rogo, è stato oggetto di violenze sessuali che lo hanno fatto dubitare della sua salute mentale.

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Mi sono letto le Confessioni di Rouseau.
Un energumeno che era li come lui per convertirsi ha cercato di toccarlo e si è masturbato davanti a lui.
Cosa disdicevole ma un violenza sessuale per me è altra cosa. E il prete ha cercato di convincerlo che quell'atto contro il sesto comandamento non era poi così doloroso.... Sapessi a quante fidanzatine ho fatto lo stsso discorso... Comincio a dubitare della mia salute mentale ;-)

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